I admit I wasn’t aware that we had representatives in congress that hold dual citizenship. My immediate thought was, can they hold dual allegiance? It is something I certainly do not believe is possible. Yes, I’m a binary thinker in regards to a number of things. There are only two genders is one of those. Pledging allegiance is another. Although I don’t consider myself a devout Christian, no student of the Bible, I believe it says no man can serve two masters. It has something to do with loving God or loving money but the precept is the same. I don’t believe you can honor dual allegiance.
There have been a few cases regarding citizenship and allegiance. They are not considered to be the same thing. In one case, it involved a Philipino man, the supreme court quoted a portion of the 1987 constitution for the Philippines. That constitution states: “Dual allegiance of citizens is inimical to the National interest and shall be dealt with by law.” I had to look up what inimical meant. It means obstructs or harms. I’d say they have that right, it is inimical. Seems like it should be included in our constitution as well. Something for a convention of the states to consider.
I copied and pasted that oath to ensure I got it right. It’s the oath those elected to Congress take. It’s clear enough to me, I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same (the constitution of the united states) Can you honestly make that pledge while holding citizenship in another country? Well, that’s a bit of a sticky wicket isn’t it? Rather the same thing as swearing or affirming in my opinion. Allegiance I mean, different words that mean the same thing/action. Is my feeling that I would have to renounce any other citizenship I would hold before being allowed to swear allegiance to another.
It’s interesting to note that in order to renounce your US citizenship you have to pay a fee of 2,350 dollars. Yes, if you don’t pay that, you remain a citizen of the United States. So, that means you have to pay to not be a citizen as well as pay to become a citizen. Seems fair enough. Other nations have different requirements for that. The majority of them just say you have to ask permission to do that. I’m guessing they can say no. Sounds like a legal quagmire to me. I do wonder, like Hillary might say, what difference does it make?
In the end, we all have to simply take someone’s word for it when it comes to such things as love and allegiance. We have to take your word for it when taking any oath, whether it is swearing, affirming or placing your hand upon any bible or other religious documents, texts or objects. I really don’t see how you could take that oath, pledge your allegiance to my nation while simultaneously being a citizen of another. Seems like a conflict of interest to me. Like telling your mistress I love you.
I want something a bit more to reassure me of your intentions, something more than just your word for it. Like a bank may require security I want to see something to indicate your sincere intentions. Something like denouncing your citizenship to another nation. Whether or not that nation recognizes that is another matter altogether. A legal matter. I want a public proclamation! If you intend to run for public office I also want that in writing! I’ll still have to take your word for it though. Ultimately, it is all we have. Still, the question remains, is that good enough?
A divided allegiance? Trust me. I swear or affirm whichever you prefer.
An aging man living in a confusing world. I was born and raised in East Hampton, yes “the Hamptons” but not rich, not famous and definitely not woke. These are my thoughts, my memories and my opinions. Just the stuff of the regular Joe.
I admit I wasn’t aware that we had representatives in congress that hold dual citizenship. My immediate thought was, can they hold dual allegiance? It is something I certainly do not believe is possible. Yes, I’m a binary thinker in regards to a number of things. There are only two genders is one of those. Pledging allegiance is another. Although I don’t consider myself a devout Christian, no student of the Bible, I believe it says no man can serve two masters. It has something to do with loving God or loving money but the precept is the same. I don’t believe you can honor dual allegiance.
There have been a few cases regarding citizenship and allegiance. They are not considered to be the same thing. In one case, it involved a Philipino man, the supreme court quoted a portion of the 1987 constitution for the Philippines. That constitution states: “Dual allegiance of citizens is inimical to the National interest and shall be dealt with by law.” I had to look up what inimical meant. It means obstructs or harms. I’d say they have that right, it is inimical. Seems like it should be included in our constitution as well. Something for a convention of the states to consider.
I copied and pasted that oath to ensure I got it right. It’s the oath those elected to Congress take. It’s clear enough to me, I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same (the constitution of the united states) Can you honestly make that pledge while holding citizenship in another country? Well, that’s a bit of a sticky wicket isn’t it? Rather the same thing as swearing or affirming in my opinion. Allegiance I mean, different words that mean the same thing/action. Is my feeling that I would have to renounce any other citizenship I would hold before being allowed to swear allegiance to another.
It’s interesting to note that in order to renounce your US citizenship you have to pay a fee of 2,350 dollars. Yes, if you don’t pay that, you remain a citizen of the United States. So, that means you have to pay to not be a citizen as well as pay to become a citizen. Seems fair enough. Other nations have different requirements for that. The majority of them just say you have to ask permission to do that. I’m guessing they can say no. Sounds like a legal quagmire to me. I do wonder, like Hillary might say, what difference does it make?
In the end, we all have to simply take someone’s word for it when it comes to such things as love and allegiance. We have to take your word for it when taking any oath, whether it is swearing, affirming or placing your hand upon any bible or other religious documents, texts or objects. I really don’t see how you could take that oath, pledge your allegiance to my nation while simultaneously being a citizen of another. Seems like a conflict of interest to me. Like telling your mistress I love you.
I want something a bit more to reassure me of your intentions, something more than just your word for it. Like a bank may require security I want to see something to indicate your sincere intentions. Something like denouncing your citizenship to another nation. Whether or not that nation recognizes that is another matter altogether. A legal matter. I want a public proclamation! If you intend to run for public office I also want that in writing! I’ll still have to take your word for it though. Ultimately, it is all we have. Still, the question remains, is that good enough?
A divided allegiance? Trust me. I swear or affirm whichever you prefer.
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I admit I wasn’t aware that we had representatives in congress that hold dual citizenship. My immediate thought was, can they hold dual allegiance? It is something I certainly do not believe is possible. Yes, I’m a binary thinker in regards to a number of things. There are only two genders is one of those. Pledging allegiance is another. Although I don’t consider myself a devout Christian, no student of the Bible, I believe it says no man can serve two masters. It has something to do with loving God or loving money but the precept is the same. I don’t believe you can honor dual allegiance.
There have been a few cases regarding citizenship and allegiance. They are not considered to be the same thing. In one case, it involved a Philipino man, the supreme court quoted a portion of the 1987 constitution for the Philippines. That constitution states: “Dual allegiance of citizens is inimical to the National interest and shall be dealt with by law.” I had to look up what inimical meant. It means obstructs or harms. I’d say they have that right, it is inimical. Seems like it should be included in our constitution as well. Something for a convention of the states to consider.
I copied and pasted that oath to ensure I got it right. It’s the oath those elected to Congress take. It’s clear enough to me, I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same (the constitution of the united states) Can you honestly make that pledge while holding citizenship in another country? Well, that’s a bit of a sticky wicket isn’t it? Rather the same thing as swearing or affirming in my opinion. Allegiance I mean, different words that mean the same thing/action. Is my feeling that I would have to renounce any other citizenship I would hold before being allowed to swear allegiance to another.
It’s interesting to note that in order to renounce your US citizenship you have to pay a fee of 2,350 dollars. Yes, if you don’t pay that, you remain a citizen of the United States. So, that means you have to pay to not be a citizen as well as pay to become a citizen. Seems fair enough. Other nations have different requirements for that. The majority of them just say you have to ask permission to do that. I’m guessing they can say no. Sounds like a legal quagmire to me. I do wonder, like Hillary might say, what difference does it make?
In the end, we all have to simply take someone’s word for it when it comes to such things as love and allegiance. We have to take your word for it when taking any oath, whether it is swearing, affirming or placing your hand upon any bible or other religious documents, texts or objects. I really don’t see how you could take that oath, pledge your allegiance to my nation while simultaneously being a citizen of another. Seems like a conflict of interest to me. Like telling your mistress I love you.
I want something a bit more to reassure me of your intentions, something more than just your word for it. Like a bank may require security I want to see something to indicate your sincere intentions. Something like denouncing your citizenship to another nation. Whether or not that nation recognizes that is another matter altogether. A legal matter. I want a public proclamation! If you intend to run for public office I also want that in writing! I’ll still have to take your word for it though. Ultimately, it is all we have. Still, the question remains, is that good enough?
A divided allegiance? Trust me. I swear or affirm whichever you prefer.
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